Szerkesztővita:BarbaraLuciano13

Szia! A(z) Andrea Benetti lapot, amit te hoztál létre (vagy bővítettél jelentősen), egy szerkesztő egyszerűsített törlésre jelölte. Az indoklást a lapon lévő sablonban találod. Ha a lap egyszerűsített törlését kifogásolod, akkor távolítsd el róla a törlési sablont! Ha a törlést nem kifogásolja senki, akkor hét nap elteltével az adminisztrátorok további vita nélkül törlik a lapot. GhostDestroyer100 ^vita 2021. június 26., 16:59 (CEST)

Hi @GhostDestroyer100:, thank you for interacting with my article. I have been looking for someone to contact because I am Italian and I cannot correct the page in Hungarian. I was looking for someone to help me check if the article was okay and help me make the corrections the article needs. Now, I delete the page and I ask you: can you help me correct the draft https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szerkeszt%C5%91:BarbaraLuciano13/pr%C3%B3balap? Or will you tell me who can help me? Just a link where I can enter my request for help. Thanks again, I await your suggestion, – BarbaraLuciano13 ^vita 2021. június 26., 17:39 (CEST)

Hi @GhostDestroyer100:, I tried to delete the article, but it won't let me delete it. What should I do? I am waiting for help, or suggest a tutor to contact for help, thanks again, – BarbaraLuciano13 ^vita 2021. június 26., 17:42 (CEST)

@BarbaraLuciano13: Hi! Thanks for commenting. Unfortunately, the article you uploaded is a machine-translated article, which is generally considered unacceptable in Wikipedia. Machine translated articles require a lot of work, so many people nominate said articles for proposed deletion or nominate them for deletion. Generally, the consensus is that it is easier to write said article from scratch than trying to correct the machine translation. Or if someone is an expert on a topic, they can write it again, on a level that is suited to Wikipedia. That is another consensus. With that aside, you cannot delete anything from mainspace, only administrators can do that. I am not one, so I cannot delete it either. As I have seen, your draft contains the same machine-translated article, so my best advice would be to let this one go. If someone is really interested in this painter, they can write his article again from scratch. Also, it is recommended that if you can't speak a specific language (in this case, Hungarian), it is not advised to try and create articles because that only results in machine translations. Sorry, but that's how things go around here. Regards: GhostDestroyer100 ^vita 2021. június 26., 17:51 (CEST)

@GhostDestroyer100: In other languages (English for example), there is a help desk to turn to for those who do not know the language and need help translating / fixing an article. Doesn't it exist in Hungarian?

Too bad, then I'll delete your template, hoping to find someone, during the discussion, willing to help me. Thanks anyway for your words, but I'm stubborn and I don't like to abandon a project without first having tried all the ways :) – BarbaraLuciano13 ^vita 2021. június 26., 19:16 (CEST)

Sorry, but that's not how it's done: removing the template without correcting the article is not a good way. About the help desk: I believe that is a thing around here too, you can post your problems here, I think. If you want, you can post it on the administrators' noticeboard (Wikipédia:Adminisztrátorok üzenőfala). Or you can also try it here: Wikipédia:Tudakozó (reference desk). Being stubborn is not necessarily a bad thing; maybe someone will help you :) GhostDestroyer100 ^vita 2021. június 26., 19:25 (CEST)

You are right @GhostDestroyer100:! However, if I did not remove the template, within seven days they would delete the page, while I expect within a few days to fix it with the help of someone to correct the errors that exist. If instead of writing to us 10 times we had focused on corrections, the page would be ready! :) Now I start looking for a volunteer to help me ... Let's hope so ... Hi GhostDestroyer100 I like you, too bad you didn't help me to correct the article ... :( – BarbaraLuciano13 ^vita 2021. június 27., 08:48 (CEST)

Ooh... You like me? Thank you for your kind words! Okay, if you really want to keep this article, maybe we can do something with it together. I can correct the machine translation after all. GhostDestroyer100 ^vita 2021. június 27., 11:49 (CEST)

@GhostDestroyer100: you're too kind! Thanks for your help. Unfortunately, not knowing Hungarian, I can't do much. However, if one day you have a text you want to put on Italian Wikipedia and you need a translator to fix the text, I will be at your complete disposal. For this article, if I can help you, tell me how I can do it. Thanks again, – BarbaraLuciano13 ^vita 2021. június 27., 12:36 (CEST)

Thank you again for your words! Actually, you don't have to do anything. I will correct the machine translation and I will remove the template. GhostDestroyer100 ^vita 2021. június 27., 13:02 (CEST)

@BarbaraLuciano13: I corrected the machine translation and I removed the template. Your article is saved. GhostDestroyer100 ^vita 2021. június 27., 13:10 (CEST)

BUT please do not do this again. This is not the way to make people write more Italian articles, demanding that someone corrects your autotranslated article. You should not be going around other language wikipedias uploading incomprehensible machine translation and then expecting people to do the job for you. If you speak Italian, please contribute to the Italian Wikipedia. If you think an article should have a Hungarian version, you can ask people at the village pump, whether they volunteer to write it. Autotranslate is not a solution. It created bad quality articles that readers laugh at and Wikipedia has enough bad reputation because of low quality articles already. This wiki is small, we don't have a lot of people with ample free time to keep correcting articles uploaded here by people who speak no Hungarian. So if you plan to do this again, please don't. Xia ^Üzenő 2021. június 27., 19:17 (CEST)

Igazság szerint eleve nem értem, miért írkálnak külföldiek a magyar wikibe... Nem tudnak magyarul, csak gyártják nekünk a plusz munkát a gépi fordításaikkal (példának ott van a tévés anon is meg a francia anon, aki francia cégekről meg párizsi épületekről készített gépi fordításokat...). El nem tudom képzelni, mi motiválhatja őket. Ha ilyen cross-wiki spamet nyomatnak, akkor megértem (félreértés ne essék, nem úgy értem meg, hogy nyugodtan csinálják, hanem úgy értem meg, hogy olyankor minden wikire felnyomja magát az illető...) De amúgy tényleg nem tudom elképzelni, miért írkálnak külföldiek a magyar wikire. GhostDestroyer100 ^vita 2021. június 27., 22:30 (CEST)

Ok @GhostDestroyer100: & @Xia:, I understand the concept and it will never repeat itself. But let me thank you for teaching me something and helping me fix an article anyway. I repeat, it won't happen again- Thanks and good Wiki, – BarbaraLuciano13 ^vita 2021. június 28., 03:18 (CEST)

Frankly, I have my doubts about that since on your user page, you state that you plan to create more articles on artists. GhostDestroyer100 ^vita 2021. június 28., 10:13 (CEST)

@GhostDestroyer100: I was hoping that the automatic translator could be done, when I wrote it on my page. Unfortunately you told me not to do it anymore, so I must necessarily change my plans! :) And anyway if I do, you will certainly be the first to notice, but I won't. I can be wrong once, but not twice! Anyway, thank you very much for helping me. You've been really nice. Happy Wiki! – BarbaraLuciano13 ^vita 2021. június 28., 10:23 (CEST)

Actually, I must say, your userpage is not even that bad. It can be felt a little bit that you used machine translation, but it's not that bad. And thanks again for your kind words! Regards, GhostDestroyer100 ^vita 2021. június 28., 10:28 (CEST)